Yes Michael Sands. Libertarian meaning free to choose -- which can be as a family, a community or as a country. And is always conditional on the price to others. New Zealanders, who are certainly no push over on individual rights, decided as individual what was best for their community and country (and had success with Covid-19 --only 28 deaths).

Individual rights in the U.S. has come to mean something closer to anarchy where folks do what ever their hearts desire. Freedom has become confused. "Public health" is exactly that, and decisions are made and agreed upon with the best health interest of the community in mind. What are we going to have next -- "town trash collection portrayed as a socialist plot" -- Michael Gerson tonight on PBS.