CAREN! Joe Biden won against an incumbent Donald Trump from his basement! Joe was aboard a boat to meet St Peter before the panicking Democratic establishment retrieved him.

Most of the present and former governors would likely beat Trump and DeSantos -- Bennett, Hickenlooper, Inslee, Patrick, Bullock, Newsome, Whitmer, etc. Not to mention many from the nomination crowd last time, plus some new folk.

There's a ton of people, Caren. That's why we don't have to be stuck with Biden.